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Jun 27, 2007 at 12:32 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/06/26/se....ap/index.html
I read this today. I don't have any problem with people having sex change operations, but I don't really think its something the taxpayers should pay for. What do you all think? (Edited to add trigger icon) __________________ 
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Jun 27, 2007 at 02:22 PM
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Kosilek, 58, was convicted of strangling his wife in 1990. He claimed he killed her in self-defense after she spilled boiling tea on his genitals.
He strangled her for burning his genitals that he didn't want in the first place? I understand the transgender issue and the emotional torment it causes. Don't get me wrong, I am sensitive to Gender Identity Disorder. I guess I'm hung up on the murder issue. Self-defense my a##. I'm wondering if there's something to be gained from this. Like being sent to a woman's prison which might not be so "rough," or maybe he wants to plan an escape from the hospital.  He didn't get the death penalty, so maybe suffering as a woman trapped in a man's body is the ultimate punishment for killing his wife. (Edited to add trigger icon) |
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Jun 28, 2007 at 08:28 AM
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I'm wondering if there's something to be gained from this. Like being sent to a woman's prison which might not be so "rough," or maybe he wants to plan an escape from the hospital.
I was wondering about this too. It all seems a little fishy. My step brother is actually going through this procedure. I don't have any problem with it at all, and I am very empathetic towards Gender Identity disorder. Still, If my step brother was in jail (especially if it was for murder) I wouldn't want tax payers footing the bill for this operation. I don't know if he would go to a female jail or not. it seems like a hige liability either way. If he stayed in the male population he would be in danger from the other inmates. If he went to the female prison, he might be a danger to the other inmates. I mean, he did kill his wife. Apparently they are spending so much money on this case because it is a test. If this guy gets his sex change then there are more inmates waiting in line behind him for the same. Whats the use of prison? We are already paying for this guy to get laser hair removal, hormone injections, and for him to legally change his name. __________________
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Jun 28, 2007 at 11:08 AM
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I think it is a load of crap! why should taxpayers have to pay? geesh! he broke the law. he lost his rights.
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Jun 28, 2007 at 12:13 PM
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do they publicly fund operations for people who aren't incarcerated?
i think... that changing your sex would be going to rather extreme lengths to get into a womens prison lol. if his sexual preference is for guys... you would think he would rather stay in the guys prison lol. i kinda think that people have rights no matter what they have done. clearly there needs to be some consequences for his behaviour (to discourage others from following suit) and clearly he needs to be prevented from reoffending but... if he was diabetic would you withold treatment for that from him? if he had schizophrenia would you withold treatment for that from him? if he had sexual identity disorder... well... i think you see where i'm going with this. my understanding was... that being locked up against your will kinda was the consequence. but then... i don't believe in retributive / retaliative justice... only rehabilitative... |
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Jun 28, 2007 at 01:08 PM
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in the states public funding is not done for sexual resection or whatever people want to call it. yes they lose alot of rights being in prison. they do maintain alot of rights too but the buck has to stop somewhere!
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Jun 28, 2007 at 01:40 PM
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hmm.
i'm interested in your thoughts with respect to treating people who are incarcerated for diabetes and schizophrenia. (i think that sexual reassignment should be publicly funded after the person has gone through an adequate screening process which involves a couple years - at least - of psychological treatment to explore what sexual reassignment would mean to them. i don't think that they should provide it to people who are incarcerated over people who aren't incarcerated, however, or it may encourage people who want the reassignment to offend in order to obtain reassignment that they can afford no other way. i guess i think that there should be a criteria... incarceration shouldn't mean that one gets prioritised on the list) |
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Jun 28, 2007 at 02:10 PM
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This is a NO vote for the sex change operation.
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Jun 28, 2007 at 02:16 PM
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personally I think medical stuff should be and is taken care of. sexual gender in my opinion is not something the public should have to pay for.
My husband is a guard in a jail right now and they do have people with diab. and other mental illnesses. they do get meds for it. __________________ He who angers you controls you! |
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Jun 28, 2007 at 02:51 PM
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do they publicly fund operations for people who aren't incarcerated?
No, Most states consider it cosmetic, and medicaid will not cover it though I do remember that in Washington State they funded a few before they changed the medicaid guidelines. Medicaid will however cover hormone injections and therapy for individuals with gender identity issues. This inmate is receiving hormone injections and therapy which makes his care similar to those who aren't incarcerated and receiving public benifits. Public benifits are hard to get in this country. There are individuals with cancer and HIV who can't afford treatment, and don't qualify for public benifits here. I would prefer these people to receice public assistance rather than dishing out 20k for a surgery for a murderer. Actually, I would prefer our country to abolish private insurance, and provide government sponsered healthcare to everyone, but that is a different subject. 
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Jun 28, 2007 at 03:32 PM
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I think that total surgery is way more than 20K to be honest. but yes I agree it is very hard to get for even those that need it and yes I think we should abolish private insurance as well. ours is so expensive just for me! my husband's is paid for by his company but geesh!
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Jun 28, 2007 at 08:04 PM
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i too have no problem with members of the general population having sex change operations in fact i would encourage it for most who feel they need one.......but as far as this guy goes?....sure give him one but forget the anesthesia.......sorry......HE KILLED HIS WIFE!
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Jun 28, 2007 at 09:43 PM
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Robert Kosilek was sentenced to life in prison without parole nine years ago for murdering his wife, Sheryl. He wrapped a wire around her neck three times and strangled her, dumped her in the back of car, and left her at a mall.
(I suppose it's possible that a woman could/would violently strangle and murder someone for spilling tea...) At the time he killed her, he sported a beard and dressed and acted like a man. When Kosilek was tried for her killing, he came to court dressed in women’s clothing, with his fingernails long and painted. After his conviction, Robert Kosilek changed his name legally to Michelle. Now Kosilek is suing the state of Massachusetts, demanding that taxpayers fund his sex-change operation. Read more here . . .    
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Jun 29, 2007 at 05:29 AM
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you know what i think...
i think his punishment should be not allowing him at all to have any sex change operation... think about it...he murdered a person..he took their physical body away...and he cant take it back...i think they should take his idea of what his physical body should be...and never ever give it to him you may think its sadistic to think that... i think thats as perfect a solution as strapping a mother to a car and push it in a lake....(the mothers who push cars into lakes...the ones with their babies strapped inside) __________________ "You look at me, and you dont like what you see. But this is the price of living with you, Mother. " - White Oleander |
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Jun 29, 2007 at 06:42 PM
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I think that there are two issues here which should be kept distinct.
The first is: Should gender reassignment be considered an 'elective surgery' like boob jobs and face lifts or should it be considered a medical treatment for a psychological / psychiatric disorder (that is in fact listed in the DSM). The second is: Should prisoners be entitled to the same health benefits as people who aren't prisoners. I think that there is a way to go on the first issue (so that health insurers regard gender reassignment surgery as psycho-surgery rather than elective surgery) BEFORE we even get to the second issue... |
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