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Default Nov 18, 2017 at 10:24 PM
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Was wondering what everyone thought about Hollywood, and other men in power, and the allegations off sexual assault?

This has been an unspoken situation in Hollywood forever. Jokes about casting directors and sleeping with someone for a part.

I am glad they are coming forward. I am sure many felt this was an insurmountable problem. And no one would care.

Ask any woman and many men, to tell a story about pushy, unwanted advances and touching. Every woman I know has faced it at one time or another.

Open dialogue if anyone, man or woman, wants to comment.

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I think Woody Allen said "I hope this doesn't become a witch hunt."

I hope it does! I want front row seats. I think it parallels Silicon Valley's major issues.
But I'm not fond of this hashtag of metoo.

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Thanks for answering. Everyday another person quits a show, or admits verbally and apologizes.

A lot of the women and men coming forward ,are some pretty believable people.

It is like Cosby all over again.
I hope it doesn't turn into a witch hunt. But most of the perps are admitting to it.

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Why don't you want a witch hunt? Ok not a historically accurate comment used, but don't you want this culture exposed? I'd like to see it out in the open.
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Default Nov 21, 2017 at 11:49 PM
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I do want people to feel justice for the past, whatever they may need.

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Was wondering what everyone thought about Hollywood, and other men in power, and the allegations off sexual assault?

This has been an unspoken situation in Hollywood forever. Jokes about casting directors and sleeping with someone for a part.

I am glad they are coming forward. I am sure many felt this was an insurmountable problem. And no one would care.

Ask any woman and many men, to tell a story about pushy, unwanted advances and touching. Every woman I know has faced it at one time or another.

Open dialogue if anyone, man or woman, wants to comment.
Oh, now this has become an interesting subject as more and more people are choosing this time to come forward in a chorus line to tell tales of men (deceivers ever, Shakespeare wrote) and their grotesque and piggish ways.

As a big Tarantino fan, I was aware of Harvey Weinstein. What I still do not understand is why his friends and partners let him get away with predatory behaviour for so long. Weinstein denies the stories. Franken and Rose do not. Roy Moore denies the stories. No one cares about Trump although he reeks of bacon among the porcine crowd. And, yes, it’s time to bring President Clinton back into the national discussion. And Spacey? He broke my heart.

Yeah, I’m having difficulty getting my head around Spacey’s reported lifetime of predatory behaviour. He was, one minute, amongst the finest actors of my generation and, the next minute, he has no future as an actor - and maybe that is fair and right - and I guess that I can’t watch Suspects again? Or not in the same way? Does he return his Oscars? He tweets an apology, of sorts, and then a “BTW, I’m gay,” as if it were a secret.

Charlie Rose? He’s toast. I haven’t checked on the Franken situation, today.

I am delighted that the transgressed are coming forward but I am afraid to find out ‘who’s next.’

Franken and the groping photo. I’m certain that it was intended to be funny. The woman is wearing a flak jacket and he does not have his hands upon the jacket, just poised for a grope. I think that it is overreaction to find that photo predatory. There is a joke there - “men continue loutish fascination with women’s breasts even when they’re bulletproof.”

Yes, the casting couch is real, we know for certain, now. And, Christ, I’ve always known that many (other) men (none amongst my friends) were predatory beasts.

I sorta ‘groped’ once and it made me feel ill. I was 15, she 14, and we were at this weekend CYO function. Prettiest little red-headed girl with perfect white skin. We had been making out for two hours or so and had both taken liberties with one another without asking. But I, the foolish rake, put my hand down the front of her pants to feel her sex. She did this cool and enchanted move away from me, laughed, and ran to find her sister.

I felt shame. I felt stupid. Why did I think that we were ready for genital touching? I apologised and that was that. My career as a predatory groper came and went.

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Default Nov 22, 2017 at 08:36 AM
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CYO! Wow does that bring back memories! Lol.

Should they give back their awards? Interesting question. I'd say no.
We can't go back & erase history although it seems to be a knee jerk reaction in our society to do so.

Take, for example, the huge Joe Paterno scandal at PSU. One day there was a beautiful huge statue of him, plaques, a walkway, memorial of his career. People taking pictures.
Then miraculously it's gone overnite & even the mature trees were exactly placed back into the landscape to make it look like it never existed. Must've cost a fortune!
Still, we can't erase what happened in that community.
I think we're nervous of the "who's next" aspect bec deep down we're all ashamed that this behavior is still socially acceptable.

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Default Nov 22, 2017 at 11:46 PM
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I do feel terrible for the victims who were abused.

But with so many people coming forward and claiming to be sexually molested, I'm find it harder to believe who is lying and who is telling the truth.

How do we know some of these people are not trolls? Or that some of these people are not claiming to be molested just for attention?

It seems like with every tragedy, there are actors who pretend they are victims. So when someone pops out of nowhere and says they were a victim, I question their character.

Sorry, folks. Not everyone is as *innocent* as they seem.

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I do feel terrible for the victims who were abused.

But with so many people coming forward and claiming to be sexually molested, I'm find it harder to believe who is lying and who is telling the truth.

How do we know some of these people are not trolls? Or that some of these people are not claiming to be molested just for attention?

It seems like with every tragedy, there are actors who pretend they are victims. So when someone pops out of nowhere and says they were a victim, I question their character.

Sorry, folks. Not everyone is as *innocent* as they seem.

You know what? I’m going with Mitch McConnell (sp?) here, “I believe the women.” Roy Moore had a history of predatory practices with underaged women and everyone knew of it. WaPo did contact the first 14-year-old at-the-time victim. She wasn’t a hidden secret. And as more and more women have jumped on the train it’s simply telling old tales in Alabama.

Oh, and I believe the men in re Kevin Spacey.

I don’t believe that false tales are being told. Not this time.

I’m okay with the #metoo hashtag. If that young red-haired girl felt violated all those years back, then she should recall my behaviour with a #metoo.
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I agree it will be difficult to know who is "jumping on the bandwagon." I feel those will need to be dealt with on an individual level.
Recently read an article (ny times maybe??) about moms that we're fighting college campuses bec their sons were accused of sexual misconduct, which goes on their record, & the women in the cases were dropping charges.
Tricky area I'm sure.

So now we're talking about basic consent issues. Which I feel is not even discussed or taught to a younger generation. What is consent? What's acceptable? What's not? What can be done about it?

Basically for me, it comes down to this.
Where is the group of men or boys in any part of our history in the world, that come together & accuse women of any sexual misconduct! Being groped, handled, raped, passed over in the work force, shunned, made to feel inferior etc ANYTHING, by women!
To me, it's always lopsided.

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I feel that the issue is the perceived power difference. An older, sometimes unattractive man, groping young women.

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I feel that the issue is the perceived power difference. An older, sometimes unattractive man, groping young women.
Yes, I think that behaviour is exactly what we are seeing now, and Weinstein is straight out of casting.

(SIDENOTE: I hade no idea that Louis C.K. existed until he was named as the chronic masturbater I front of unwilling women. Now that HBO has sanitized itself of Louis, I have no way of acquainting myself with his work.)

But I also know that this “perceived power difference,” that male disease, is acted upon by Taco Bell managers and fabric line managers: It is that paternalistic belief that men are ever more powerful than women and that a ‘little put-down,’ a bit of objectifying, can put women in their place.

I could go on and on... but I agree with you in a double-plus-good manner.

(SIDENOTE 2: There was a short, but detailed, article in The Atlantic that addressed this issue... and asked the sanitation questions. Stop watching Tarantino because his films were produced by Harvey Weinstein? Spacey films, as well (and, should Spacey return his two Oscars)? Oh, and with 81 Oscar wins, does The Weinstein Company return that treasure trove of statuettes?)? Unless you’ve invested in every Kevin Spacey Blu-Ray, maybe you’ll never se “L.A. Confidential?”

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I know that there are a lot of arguments about this. ^

I don't have an answer. I personally understood the musical skill of Michael Jackson. But the fact that he was a sexually predatory, pedophile made me hate him.

I try to separate the abuse from the art. It is difficult. Growing up I loved Woody Allen. When I became an adult, I realized that many of his movies were about young, vulnerable women and a creepy, older, male protagonist.

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I know that there are a lot of arguments about this. ^

I don't have an answer. I personally understood the musical skill of Michael Jackson. But the fact that he was a sexually predatory, pedophile made me hate him.

I try to separate the abuse from the art. It is difficult. Growing up I loved Woody Allen. When I became an adult, I realized that many of his movies were about young, vulnerable women and a creepy, older, male protagonist.
Micheal was abused as a kid, by his father, in a lot of ways, so it's no surprise that he grew up weird. However, there is no concrete evidence to prove he was sexually involved with minors...

With that all said, I still love his music.

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I know that there are a lot of arguments about this. ^

I don't have an answer. I personally understood the musical skill of Michael Jackson. But the fact that he was a sexually predatory, pedophile made me hate him.

I try to separate the abuse from the art. It is difficult. Growing up I loved Woody Allen. When I became an adult, I realized that many of his movies were about young, vulnerable women and a creepy, older, male protagonist.
Yep, when Woody Allen (who sent me an autographed photo with a signed letter, apologising that he had no Annie Hall scripts at hand) said the “witch hunt” thing, I thought that was pretty creepy. From Annie Hall (plausible) to a 40-something dating the teenaged Mariel Hemingway in Manhattan? Skin crawling creepiness.

Meh. I kept watching his movies until they began to bore me. And this during the time he was going through his separation from Mia Farrow and marrying his ex-sorta-daughter.

My vote is to keep Spacey’s previous work flowing and to let Oscar winners keep their awards. To my knowledge, Weinstein is the only man to be relieved of his Academy membership.

One effed-up situation and it makes me feel ill.
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Louis C.K. has always been an asshole. He has a lot of comedy skits about masturbation.

https://www.thewrap.com/louis-cks-ma...y-skits-video/

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Matt Lauer. Another one bites the dust.

It seems that a lot of people in the entertainment industry, "know" about the sleazy people and spread the word around, until someone steps forward.

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Yes... Lauer. This has become an avalanche of bad, and often predatory, conduct that some men in power have perpetuated over decades.

If throngs of women accuse Tom Hanks of inappropriate behavior, I’m gonna...

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Really, Tom Hanks is one of the nicest people that I have ever met (briefly - can’t say that I know him). His love for his wife is already a Hollywood legend. I watched Philadelphia again the other night. There is no way that such a brilliant actor could... oh, yeah, Kevin Spacey. He hasn’t had much to say after his two tweets and rush of people who came forward to acknowledge his predatory antics.

I think that, as a nation, we’re waiting for dozens of more shoes to drop. We are wondering who might be next. And we wonder, we wonder, how bad the next will be.

It is odd that President Drumph got a ‘pass’ for his inappropriate and disgusting behavior while others are being fired or blackballed (with just cause).

Matt Lauer - what, two decades as the male host of the most popular early morning news program? And doesn’t everyone need to tell the tales of Keyser Söze to their children?

Roy Moore is sure to be elected as Alabama’s junior senator. In this sleaze-fest, he is one of the worst (and best well-documented) offenders. We all know that he will win the election but we don’t know what will happen afterwards. Will he take an oath of office or will the GOP majority find a loophole to deny him the seat?

I was keeping a list of these now-outed predators but it was taking too much of my time. And it was getting sickening.

I shared my stomach-churning attempt to touch a girl inappropriately, yes?

I was also charged with SEXUAL HARASSMENT once. I felt sick, then, too. Because I was not guilty of the charge nor were the other two men charged. I had dated this woman, long before she became a work colleague, and we had a six-month or so relationship which included sex. We had parted on such good terms that when she asked me for a recommendation for a job opening at my place of employment, I was happy to oblige. She was hired for the position but I saw little of her as we were in different departments.

Nonetheless, she said that our previous relationship constituted sexual harassment because my recommendation was based upon our sexual relationship and that she feared that I might rescind my recommendation on a whim putting her job in jeopardy. We went through labor board arbitration and her charges were found to be false. She resigned. Everyone thought her mad/crazy. Maybe she was, although I never voiced my opinion one way or another.

So I have experience as a groper - grabber? - and have been charged with sexual harassment. Yes, at 15 I slid my hand to try to cop a feel - “grab them by the *****,” as our president would say - and at 28, I was falsely charged with sexual harassment.

But.

Yes, but.

I wonder, now, how I might have offended women by other means, and I have a recent example. I was hospitalized due to pneumonia and a symptom (edema) of Cardiac Heart Failure. I had become confused... my normal weight is 112 pounds but I had swollen so, and I was so confused, that it took six days to safely get 105 pounds of water-weight-gain from my body. During my stay I had a nurse (with a terribly strange name) who gave me such terrific care, explaining in far more detail than my doctor exactly what was going on, why I had so much blood work, the results of tests, &etc. She was (is still, I hope) lovely - had I been 30-years younger, she would have been my ‘type’: Tall and slender yet athletic and fit with long blonde hair and just lovely. When I found that I was to be discharged, I told her of my appreciation and I also told her that I thought that she was lovely.

She blushed and told me that I had made her week; nay, her month.

I wonder if telling a woman - outside of the workplace - that she is attractive will become taboo? Was I out-of-line with my nurse (for her visage was so fair that it appealed to my reason to live)?

I don’t know. I know that I have surely complimented those whom I have had sex concerning their appearance. My long and tall and slender and delicious 60-year-old ‘lady friend’ is as delightful now as she was at 16, when we were first lovers. The big difference now is time. What we once took an hour to accomplish now may take four hours (if, indeed, we have the skills and desires to accomplish same).

I am settled into a routine and am bloody ineffable that I no longer need look for new women, no longer need to be an old fart on the dating circuit. The rules are changing or have changed. How, now, does one approach the most fabulous girl at the cocktail party? How do the beautiful approach one another?

Ach. Things change. More pigs will be named and tossed from the sty. And we will feel some shame if those named were among our favorite celebrities.

Shame on them. They do not die with one accusation but in the accrued witnesses. There are patterns. I was never friends with crude men (and yet my effing crude language might seem otherwise). I never had an older mentor or superior who was crude, although they had great power over others.

They will continue to be outed and that is a good thing. Let the cards fall where they made.
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