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Default Jul 22, 2019 at 01:06 PM
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Do others feel the same (I strongly suspect so):

I dislike how my body looks and feels. It is aesthetically unappealing and uncomfortable. I think of it as a prison house.

I generally dislike organic bodies full stop - they are weak, smelly, prone to illness, and die etc. I would prefer we were androids or angels or digital consciousnesses etc.

However, I admit that some people have reasonably attractive forms (at least until we get into a close inspection) and I am jealous of these people.

I also dislike how my body is so fixed. It irritates me enormously that I can't just change my appearance at will - hair length, gender, height, species etc.

I take it others can relate?

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I hate my body because it's old & ugly. Plus it's not the body that ever matched my gender identity either.

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I am 72 and have learned to love and respect my body..
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I am 72 and have learned to love and respect my body..
How did you do that? And did it take time?

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I like my body just fine. Sure I looked better when I was younger lol but I still look reasonably attractive. I don’t dislike other people’s bodies either
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I like my body just fine. Sure I looked better when I was younger lol but I still look reasonably attractive. I don’t dislike other people’s bodies either
Good . I suspect you form a minority, since almost everyone I talk to wants to change something about their bodies or improve it in some way.

But I also note that you prefered the younger you to now. And I suspect that feeling will increase as you get older, or if you develop some disease.

What would you prefer to your body now, if you could change it?

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Good . I suspect you form a minority, since almost everyone I talk to wants to change something about their bodies or improve it in some way.

But I also note that you prefered the younger you to now. And I suspect that feeling will increase as you get older, or if you develop some disease.

What would you prefer to your body now, if you could change it?
Aging is normal and natural. No I absolutely don’t prefer younger body because that would be unnatural and would not look right. I never said I prefer the younger me. I don’t plan to age backwards lol or look like I am 20, that would be unnatural. I am just acknowledging the fact that I and most of us have better bodies in young age because that’s simply how nature operates. It doesn’t make me prefer anything else or dislike myself.

Oh as about what to change, I gained some weight this year, got to lose some. It’s not hard to do. Just got to do it
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It's certainly true that aging is normal and natural. But I can't see why anyone woukdnt orefer to have a young body perpetually than an ever aging one - indeed, it strikes me that the vast majority of people clearly would prefer they didn't get older. Cosmetics sales alone indicate this.

See to me, this indicates that people dislike, to some degree, their bodies after a certain age. I think it's fine for people to accept or cope with something inevitable, but I don't see that as being mutually exclusive with an admission that they don't like they're bodies as they are. Surely it would be illogical to not desire a more attractive, healthier, less uncomfortable, more capable, physical form?

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It's certainly true that aging is normal and natural. But I can't see why anyone woukdnt orefer to have a young body perpetually than an ever aging one - indeed, it strikes me that the vast majority of people clearly would prefer they didn't get older. Cosmetics sales alone indicate this.

See to me, this indicates that people dislike, to some degree, their bodies after a certain age. I think it's fine for people to accept or cope with something inevitable, but I don't see that as being mutually exclusive with an admission that they don't like they're bodies as they are. Surely it would be illogical to not desire a more attractive, healthier, less uncomfortable, more capable, physical form?
Perpetually young body on older person would look stupid. No thanks. I am attractive so no I don’t want to look more attractive. Why? Looks are also subjective. More attractive by what standards? I am not giving up my looks.

I can’t speak about what happens in years from now but now it’s all good. I don’t even have grey hair, that’s really a blessing. I probably wouldn’t like that. But who knows. Some people look great with grey hair.

“vast majority of people clearly would prefer they didn't get older”. The only alternative to not get older is to not exist. So I beg to differ. Vast majority of us prefer to get older.

PS part of the solution is also how you present yourself and how you feel inside. How you dress, your posture, your attitude etc

Also part of liking yourself is liking your body. You not liking your body likely stems from you not liking yourself and not liking your life. You aren’t content. I believe your life would improve if you look into roots of your suffering rather than trying to convince others that they are miserable even if they tell you that they aren’t. Do you find it beneficial?
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree . I'm glad you really like your body and you are attractive and don't mind getting older.

I stick by my statement that most people prefer to not have their bodies age. Literally every single person Irl I've ever met over, say 35, would prefer to have a younger body, and more so as they get older and older.

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree . I'm glad you really like your body and you are attractive and don't mind getting older.

I stick by my statement that most people prefer to not have their bodies age. Literally every single person Irl I've ever met over, say 35, would prefer to have a younger body, and more so as they get older and older.
There is no alternative to getting older except death. So what purpose does it serve for you to wish for younger body? You seem to wish for unattainable things like becoming a billionaire and have young body. I wonder if unrealistic expectations are causing you feeling unhappy? Having a bit of fantasy is fine but not if it brings pain
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Purpose? None. It's not a deliberate choice, no more than someone screams at pain. It's just a thing.

Same with being a billionaire. It's illogical to not want things like happiness, power, immortality etc. It just is the way humans are wired - we want things we cannot have. This is why I think it just clearly true that most people are not totally happy.

However, the desire to live longer and younger and healthier for longer has certainly driven humans to much good science, diet, medicine etc and will likely result, in time, to an end to ageing in total.

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I don’t want things I can’t have. What’s the point? When I want things I work to get them. Those are attainable things. Yes it is logical to want happiness as it’s perfectly attainable. Becoming immortal is a fantasy. I don’t engage in fantasy. I don’t find fantasy logical.

If your dislike of your body and overall your life drives you to live healthier and better life, then that serves a purpose. That’s why I asked what’s the purpose of all that.
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Again, I don't think it's about 'having a point', it's simply something that is. If I'm in pain, for example, I just want the pain to stop - even if there is no way for it to end. I don't want to die, even though I cannot prevent it. You make it seem like this is a choice.

It would be illogical to not desire these things, and also be illogical to actively pursue that which is impossible, and both are true and right at the same time.

What is the purpose of happiness? What is the purpose of any emotion?

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Again, I don't think it's about 'having a point', it's simply something that is. If I'm in pain, for example, I just want the pain to stop - even if there is no way for it to end. I don't want to die, even though I cannot prevent it. You make it seem like this is a choice.

It would be illogical to not desire these things, and also be illogical to actively pursue that which is impossible, and both are true and right at the same time.

What is the purpose of happiness? What is the purpose of any emotion?
No, dying isn’t a choice. I never said it is. Quite the opposite. You are the one saying about not wanting to age and wanting to be immortal. It’s fantastical thinking and I don’t engage in it. We either age and die or die young. There are no other options. You are acting like it’s choice. It isn’t. Now by no means if dreaming of living forever rocks your boat, I see no problem with it. It seems to make you unhappy though.

Sure there is purpose in happiness. We only have one life so I prefer to enjoy it.

Now some things we can’t control. Perhaps you can’t control your hate of your own body. Or your loneliness and boredom. But you hopefully can control your desire for unattainable things. That’s why I asked for the purpose of you wanting things that can’t happen. It causes you suffering. Unless you enjoy suffering what’s the point?
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No, dying isn’t a choice. I never said it is. Quite the opposite. You are the one saying about not wanting to age and wanting to be immortal. It’s fantastical thinking and I don’t engage in it. We either age and die or die young. There are no other options. You are acting like it’s choice. It isn’t. Now by no means if dreaming of living forever rocks your boat, I see no problem with it. It seems to make you unhappy though.

Sure there is purpose in happiness. We only have one life so I prefer to enjoy it.

Now some things we can’t control. Perhaps you can’t control your hate of your own body. Or your loneliness and boredom. But you hopefully can control your desire for unattainable things. That’s why I asked for the purpose of you wanting things that can’t happen. It causes you suffering. Unless you enjoy suffering what’s the point?
We seem to be speaking past each other a fair bit - I really don't think I'm being understood, which I accept as my own communication failure.

By answering that the purpose of happiness is to enjoy life I think it clear that we are playing different language games here.

I think it best we simply agree to disagree rather than go round in circles.

I feel that ageing, death, diseases, unattractiveness etc are non-desirable things that cannot be prevented, and I emotionally desire they didn't happen, and the fact they do is an uncontrollable, though totally logical, irritation. Choosing to unhealthily dwell on that irritation is futile and would be a poor choice, but the base irritation and sadness that comes from awareness of the human condition is not a choice - it's just being human.

I don't believe desire, in the way I'm using the word, is something chosen or controlled. It is an emotion - a simple 'I want' urge. This cannot be removed, I think.

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I don’t see anything to agree or disagree with here. PC is not really a debate/discourse type of forum. I hope you find help you are looking for or if you don’t want help, I hope you find some type of peace. Good luck.
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I don’t see anything to agree or disagree with here. PC is not really a debate/discourse type of forum. I hope you find help you are looking for or if you don’t want help, I hope you find some type of peace. Good luck.
That's a really nice thing ... And yeah, I guess this isn't a debate type forum, my bad.

I really hope you find everything you want/need too ... And I really do hope I find peace, I'm just not convinced it exists this side of the grave, lol . One way or another, though

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Do others feel the same (I strongly suspect so):

I dislike how my body looks and feels. It is aesthetically unappealing and uncomfortable. I think of it as a prison house.

I generally dislike organic bodies full stop - they are weak, smelly, prone to illness, and die etc. I would prefer we were androids or angels or digital consciousnesses etc.

However, I admit that some people have reasonably attractive forms (at least until we get into a close inspection) and I am jealous of these people.

I also dislike how my body is so fixed. It irritates me enormously that I can't just change my appearance at will - hair length, gender, height, species etc.

I take it others can relate?
I see you posted this a while ago, but wanted to say I understand and relate. I don't like my body or find it attractive and I don't find many other people attractive either, with the exception of maybe two people. I dislike the human form and even find it quite repulsive at times. I wish I didn't but it's the way it is for me.
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