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Default Jul 19, 2019 at 11:57 AM
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So, the recruiter I registered with a month ago called me two days ago to tell me about a great "temp" position for $17/hr that I was selected to interview for at the client's today. He wanted me to come in this morning to meet with him and the branch manager to review information about the client and that is when I found out the truth: it was a DIRECT HIRE position NOT doing administrative assistant work as the recruiter initially told me on the phone.

The real job?

$15/hr working full-time at a copy center!

Um....WHAAAAT!

So, you can imagine my bewilderment at this news. I immediately told the recruiter and branch manager, "I thought this was a temp job. You (me pointing to the recruiter) told me on the phone it was a temp job, not a direct hire. And it's not an admin role, it's a customer service role at a copy center which is not something I am interested in doing."

Although the recruiter and branch manager assured me it was my choice to back out of the interview, we all know what this means. They won't put me forward for ANY temp jobs now. Right?!

I'm willing to temp for $15/hr but for direct hire, I expect to be paid a reasonable rate of $25-30 an hour since I'm 48 and have over 10 years of admin experience.

So, I left the temp agency this morning really angry that they wasted my time. They put forward other candidates for this role so one of those people will be happy to work at a copy center. But not me. I may need a job, but taking the WRONG job for the WRONG reason is not something I want to do anymore. I did that for 10 years off and on, taking the wrong job b/c I was desperate for work or money and it didn't give me a good work history or anything. So, at 48, I have to set my limits with recruiters about what I'm willing to do for temp work, vs. direct hire.

But, knowing how political temp agencies are (and how age and gender bias they are), I know today will be "my fault" in their eyes, b/c I chose to put my needs first (higher pay, and a better quality work environment than a copy center with a 12-staff and boss who never looks up from his laptop -- this is how the branch manager and recruiter described the man who owned this copy center, that he never looked up from his laptop while they visited him yesterday to discuss the progress of his interviews with their candidates, and who the hell wants to work for a boss like that at my age? No thank you!)

I came home and told my roommate what happened and she at least validated my gut that I made the smart choice to not even go on the interview, and to tell the branch manager and recruiter exactly what I'm looking for: $15-20/hr temp work or $25-30/hr direct hire pay.

I won't rely on this temp agency moving forward. Time to call a few other temp agencies (they're all the same, but at least this way, it's a fresh start with a new agency). I'd be SHOCKED if they called me with temp assignments that they put me forward for after today, b/c I turned down a direct hire interview for a sh*tty job with sh*tty pay. I may be desperate, but I'm NOT STUPID.
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Default Jul 20, 2019 at 07:05 AM
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That sucks. Is there another agency you can register with? These agencies are crooked I swear. It is your right not to take a job and they shouldnt hold it against you. Way back when my husband got done with his apprenticeship with the union he was promised big bucks. Then the economy crashed. They had this rule where you couldnt turn down more than three jobs within 60 days or you would be put at the back of the list. And if you take a job and its only short term you get moved to the back of the list. Of course if you kiss butt and schmooze you manage to get the best jobs. He turned down three and we thought we were screwed. He has a duel ticket in teledata in addition to electrical so Princeton U called for a temp hire. He had to take it. Thank god he did because they hired him FT. But that doesnt make it up for almost losing our house, unemployment and his devastating depression. I think hiring halls and agencies are all messed up.

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Omg..... I know the ordeal of dealing with staffing and temp agencies, trust me! I feel your frustrations. Good for you for standing your ground and for sticking to your hourly and direct-hire standards and desires. I once had a temp agency try to trick me as well. I had been sexually harassed in a temporary-direct-hire position they placed me in, I chose to leave the role as a result of the harassment, so that very same day, the staffing agency shoved me into an interview for a role I was not even qualified to do! The hiring manager even asked after some time, "then what are you doing here?" The staffing agency wanted to quickly move me into another role, even if it was a bad fit, in order to distract me from pursuing a sexual harassment case!!!!!! SLIMY.

OH, and I have more stories than that, but I won't go into each one of them. All they mainly care about is filling roles and gaining their commissions. They certainly don't care about YOU, your requirements or your true interests.

That being said, there ARE some good recruiters out there.. I have found a few in my life. I hope you have far better luck and experiences with other agencies.
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I joined another temp agency and the recruiter -- a kid in his 20s as he told me his age -- said he'd help me find receptionist contract work starting next week. Then he had me Onboard with his temp agency. Then I sent him my 3 references, and that's when he claimed that my Onboarding didn't go through. Uh-huh, sure. I even forwarded a screenshot of the completed Onboarding, so that makes me think one of my three references trash talked me to him, so now he's going to play the dodge-ball game with me. I'll find out this week. But if it's the reference I think it is, I'll switch it out with a better reference.

Yes, temp agencies are the pits of hell in that they are crooked and divisive and just plain Britney Spears worthy toxic. I HATE TEMP AGENCIES.
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Why not just apply directly to the companies who are hiring like through Indeed, Glassdoor, etc?

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temp agencies don't make money unless they find employees for the companies they have contracts with. They have jobs and ppl who need jobs try to get one. Not every job is perfect but if you have full time hours it shows you put in the effort and you start building work history.
Its true an HR department is only if you worked there and length of time, but honestly they will answer pointed questions if ask of them. Its still better than in the 80s where they could talk to your direct supervisor and unless your super is a stand up guy chances are they won't give a glowing reference.
we make our own luck sometimes, sell yourself to the recuiter, manager or whatever you need to. Lets face it after being out of gainful employment for a matter of years , the most important thing isn't huge pay checks, at first you are trying to impress a company and maybe you can get promoted once they know you and see you in action.
I would have taken 15$ an hour and still look for something more but the temp agency although seemed to be misleading did however, give you a shot.
Try not to time yourself out of the work force.
these are just my personal thoughts i hate seeing ppl suffer not getting a job that they would be happy in.
Show the agency that you are a stand-up person and be positive, they also are trying to do a job. And i bet it isn't that great of a pay range.

Doesn't a direct hire also include benifits like health insurance among other things? When i changed Hospitals i was working at one of the questions the interviewer ask was if i was currently working a full time position, i was and said i was and would have to have a 2 week window to leave my current employer. She was happy that i was working and said thats what we like to hear. We finished the interview and within an hour she called me and offered me a great job with adequete pay but with merit raises fairly often. There is nothing wrong with having to work hard to prove yourself.
I hope something i said helps to get you out there and loving work or at least having a history started.
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Every direct-application I've submitted online has been rejected. Every single one. I don't know if it's because of the dates after my college and grad school graduations, or the dates of my work history or what. This is very frustrating.
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Nowadays your resume has to comply to the Applicant Tracking System (ATS) software. More than half (and this is an underestimate) of resumes are filtered out because of formatting (margins, boxes, ... etc) and font family and font-size before they reach a recruiter who gives it a 3 second scan to see if it is worth his/her time for more investigation by matching key words handed down to them by a hiring manager without necessarily understanding what they mean.

Even small businesses that don't deploy ATS don't consider direct submission as the main source of applications. On LinkedIn there is the Easy Apply option, and I probably applied for 100s of applications using it, maybe one or two applications were viewed. And the others? They weren't even viewed. I mentioned Easy Apply because it notifies you whenever your application is viewed. On companies sites, probably the same is happening. Most direct applications don't reach the recruiter/hiring manager.
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Today, a "recruiter" wrote me an email in very broken-English claiming that they had a job for me and saw my profile on LinkedIn. They also left me a voicemail, also, spoken in very broken English. I googled the agency and its a legit IT/Accounting Employment Agency. What isn't legit, is this "recruiter" b/c she claimed she had an entry level tech writer job for me she needed my birthdate and social security and tax ID information for.

When I said "no!" to her requests for my personal information, she claimed that's how they do it at that employment agency. Having joined several temp agencies over the years, that is NOT how things are done. You are Onboarded with the temp agency by filling out all of their paperwork online which takes 1-2 hours. You do NOT use your SSN or birthdate to apply for jobs of any kind via temp agencies, so I felt like she was claiming to represent the temp agency but really wasn't associated. I have to call their office tomorrow vet her, but my gut tells me, she's a scammer.

Thanks Nxious for the info on LinkedIn's "easy apply" feature. I will definitely use that to apply for jobs online AND I will reformat my resume to meet the ATS tracking system requirements. God, who knew applying for jobs would be this much work!

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Actually, I was saying direct applications (e.g., easy apply) get very low attention if any, but you don't lose anything if you try. As the name implies, applying is easy, which means you just attache your resume, and your phone no. and email are shared automatically from your profile, and hit "submit". That's it. No filling applications and answering questions, no nothing.

I receive emails like what you are describing. I don't reply to them. They are suspicious to me. And how did they get your phone number and left a voicemail if you are not registered with them?

I have been reached out by recruiters on LinkedIn though, with a job description and if I am interested, and several resulted in phone interviews. I responded to that, after making sure they are legit. But asking for date of birth and other private information is suspicious.
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temp agencies don't make money unless they find employees for the companies they have contracts with. They have jobs and ppl who need jobs try to get one. Not every job is perfect but if you have full time hours it shows you put in the effort and you start building work history.

Its true an HR department is only if you worked there and length of time, but honestly they will answer pointed questions if ask of them. Its still better than in the 80s where they could talk to your direct supervisor and unless your super is a stand up guy chances are they won't give a glowing reference.

we make our own luck sometimes, sell yourself to the recuiter, manager or whatever you need to. Lets face it after being out of gainful employment for a matter of years , the most important thing isn't huge pay checks, at first you are trying to impress a company and maybe you can get promoted once they know you and see you in action.

I would have taken 15$ an hour and still look for something more but the temp agency although seemed to be misleading did however, give you a shot.

Try not to time yourself out of the work force.

these are just my personal thoughts i hate seeing ppl suffer not getting a job that they would be happy in.

Show the agency that you are a stand-up person and be positive, they also are trying to do a job. And i bet it isn't that great of a pay range.


Doesn't a direct hire also include benifits like health insurance among other things? When i changed Hospitals i was working at one of the questions the interviewer ask was if i was currently working a full time position, i was and said i was and would have to have a 2 week window to leave my current employer. She was happy that i was working and said thats what we like to hear. We finished the interview and within an hour she called me and offered me a great job with adequete pay but with merit raises fairly often. There is nothing wrong with having to work hard to prove yourself.

I hope something i said helps to get you out there and loving work or at least having a history started.

good luck. tams

I know your response was compassionate but I feel like you may be misunderstanding Blanche. My understanding is she has done most if not all of that. Made herself sellable and reliable, team player etc. other than grovel and kiss butt. She has said she needs something more than 15$ an hour and more career oriented than a job that could end in two weeks. She is overqualified for most of her offerings and I see nothing wrong with her trying to weed through offers to find the right fit. Your advice about linked in was great and I wouldn’t have thought of that but I just wanted to chime in with how I saw the situation.

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Thank you for your wonderful post Sarah! You understand my situation 100% and I'm grateful to friends like you here whose support is genuine and devoid of snarky judgment. I am weeding out the bad offers (like that recruiter who lied to me on the phone to get me to agree to come into the temp agency to prepare for this so-called 'direct hire' job offer, which he already knew I would have said no to on the phone, had he told me the truth then) b/c the right fit for me is still out there. And, I've already been down that road of taking a job I knew was a bad idea which never has a good outcome.

I knew my one day assignment yesterday was a good idea. I filled-in for a receptionist (a 22 year old recent college grad who's only been there 3 months in her receptionist role -- she told me all of this).

Her supervisor said he would definitely request me back b/c he likes to keep the same 'contractors' on, in case he ever needs to fill this young lady's job if she chooses to leave. So if she's sick or goes on vacation he told me he would request me to fill in for her and that temp agency (not the horrible one I posted about in my OP here) is located in the same building as this international company is. So, while on the surface it was only a one-day contract job, I just secured future contract work there for myself, by giving the supervisor my availability for work.
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Glad to hear the assignment went well Blance. I hope you hear from them again.
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Glad to hear the assignment went well Blance. I hope you hear from them again.
Hey rechu! I hope so too!

I knew if I held out that the right temp jobs would be there. I haven't left that other horrible temp agency, but the new one I joined, is where I got this receptionist one-day assignment. I met both the hiring manager and the recruiter (both guys) who were super nice to me at this new temp agency.

Tomorrow I have 3 phone interviews from LinkedIn spaced out throughout the day. They may not lead anywhere, or they could. But I'm going to use them for practice.
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Sounds like good progress. Congrats.

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blanche is the 8 day job still coming up next week?!?!?!?!?!

sounds like you are on your way to getting paid!! YAY

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Tams - yes, I will get paid next Friday for yesterday's one-off receptionist job. I was asked to cover that same receptionist's weeklong vacation that starts next Friday but I'm already committed to that other 8-day receptionist position for another company. But the fact that they asked me to fill-in for her just after yesterday, is a good sign they will ask for me again in the future when that young receptionist goes on vacation again or is out sick.

Next week, I won't start until Thursday, Friday, the week after, and then that following Monday for that next receptionist job. I'm so relieved that I didn't crumble and take that horrible copy center "direct hire" job. That would have been a huge, huge mistake.
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I'm so glad that things are taking a turn for the better! I hope it continues.
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What IS IT with recruiters! They are SO SLIMY!

So, this other recruiter from another agency who contacted me from LinkedIn (I haven't posted about this recruiter here yet) submitted me for a good hourly data entry job. Then told me of a good admin asst job that pays even more that he sent me the job description of, then once he got my approval, submitted me for it. So I thought, "great." BUT THEN I GOT HIS VOICEMAIL. He and his account manager decided to pull my resume from that admin role and submit me to a different one --- WITHOUT CONSULTING ME.

So, I sent a short email to the recruiter that what he and his account manager did was totally inappropriate and unprofessional and that I no longer wish to work with him or his team. If you don't want to submit me for a role, then don't tell me about it or send me the job description first. Then call me back, tell me you submitted me for another role WITHOUT ASKING ME FIRST if I want to be submitted for that role.

I know the bottom line with temp agencies is to fill their open contracts with qualified contractors. But, don't tell a contractor about a job, tell them you submitted them, then call them back to say, "oh by the way, we removed your application from that job and submitted your resume to this other job instead."

That is slimy. SLIMY! How do you back track from that as a mistake? ******mit!

WTF!!!! I HATE TEMP AGENCIES!

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Found this article online about the experience I had with that recruiter today who submitted me for a job without even asking me first if I was interested. This same recruiter submitted me for a job I wasn't even qualified for too.

Recruiter Behavior: Is It the Recruiter, or Is It You? | Monster.com

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This spaghetti-against-the-wall tactic is desperate and amateurish, says Olson. “It means the recruiter doesn’t understand your unique skills and qualifications, or they don’t care.” Even worse, Olson says, is when the recruiter submits a job seeker for a job without informing him. “It makes us and the candidate look bad when we learn the candidate’s already been submitted for a job and didn’t know it,” she says.
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“The job of a recruiter is not to find jobs for people but to find people for jobs,” says Greg Bennett, a North Carolina-based executive recruiter for The Mergis Group (a division of Randstad).

“I’m not an employment agency,” Bennett adds. “If I didn’t submit you for the job you think you’re qualified for, it means that I submitted several people who were more qualified in some way, but I’m not going to send everyone who might be a decent fit. I’m going to submit those who would be the best fit.”

It’s not in the recruiter’s best interest to make a bad match. Recruiters know a lot more about what the client wants -- including the temperament and “fit” of the ideal employee -- than you possibly could.
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