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Default Aug 16, 2020 at 04:10 PM
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What a creep!

Get the reference then cut all ties after a new employer follows it up. Even thanking him when you get a new job could lead him to think you want to stay in touch.

I'll never get involved with someone at work again, not that I've had a job in five years. Stupid to realise it would end in any other way than it actually did. Thought he was a decent guy but fell for the oldest line in the book!!
Yeah, I will definitely minimize contact to only what’s necessary.

I only dated one guy from work but I was 22 and working at a ski resort. He was my boss.

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He clearly saw it as an opportunity for something fishy. Its been many years since I had a new job but I recall I always used former bosses and coworkers for references and recommendations and many of them were men. They never ever invited me for lunch or dinner, let alone drinks in order to provide a reference. Usually phone conversations or emails are more than sufficient. They don’t need to go out with me to provide me with references, they already know me! They can provide it based on what they know or call me and ask me questions if need to

Clearly he had an agenda. This guy is sneaky and arrogant. I’d accept his references and would go no contact. He doesn’t need continuous interaction, one reference is enough.

I wonder how your husband felt about this? Men usually understand how other men operate. Did he not suspect this guy inviting you out was up to no good?
The lunch was to talk about contacts and connections he could make for me. He’s sending my resume to a couple organizations.

My husband thought it was weird that he asked me to lunch. Then wasn’t shocked when he hit on me.

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I think what bothers me is there was a power imbalance- I'll explain. You need a stellar reference- and he knows this. There is a pandemic going on and all jobs are now no longer guaranteed and the economy took a dump. In regular circumstances you would want a good reference but in these circumstances you NEED a good reference in order to recover. Add that to the fact that he has some basic info about your marriage issues. So I think he thought that you would be receptive to anything. I am not saying he is holding your reference hostage on the basis of you having an affair with him but he knows that this reference will be essential to your employment. It may not have been a total quid pro quo but sort of a passive aggressive way to test the waters.

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I think what bothers me is there was a power imbalance- I'll explain. You need a stellar reference- and he knows this. There is a pandemic going on and all jobs are now no longer guaranteed and the economy took a dump. In regular circumstances you would want a good reference but in these circumstances you NEED a good reference in order to recover. Add that to the fact that he has some basic info about your marriage issues. So I think he thought that you would be receptive to anything. I am not saying he is holding your reference hostage on the basis of you having an affair with him but he knows that this reference will be essential to your employment. It may not have been a total quid pro quo but sort of a passive aggressive way to test the waters.
I agree about the power imbalance, and in fact, had thought of that too just yesterday.

He knows I need his reference. I know he will still give me a very positive reference, even though I rejected him. And when he hit on me, I wasn't confrontational about it. All I said was my husband wouldn't approve or appreciate my going to the CEO's cottage.

The whole situation just stinks. I don't like it.

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Have Hope, what kind of work relationship did you have with this CEO? Were you two always very personal with each other? Did he mistake your personal disclosure about your marriage problems as you inviting him to have an affair? I am trying to understand why you would go so far as to confide in your company's CEO about your marriage problems, instead of just keeping that information to yourself?
 
 
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Have Hope, what kind of work relationship did you have with this CEO? Were you two always very personal with each other? Did he mistake your personal disclosure about your marriage problems as you inviting him to have an affair? I am trying to understand why you would go so far as to confide in your company's CEO about your marriage problems, instead of just keeping that information to yourself?
I don’t mean to be rude but it’s already explained through this entire thread. If you had actually read the thread, you would have your question answered. I also do not need to feel judged for this experience. Your tone and wording are very judgmental.

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I guess I just need more clarity on why you created multiple threads about your CEO. Do you have feelings for him?
 
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I do not have multiple threads about my CEO, Motts. I have a few threads going about various work issues I faced at this company. This is the only thread I have about my CEO specifically. I never had feelings for him. You are reading the entire situation incorrectly. Again, I encourage you to read each of my posts in this thread about the CEO.

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I had an epiphany today about WHY I may have opened up to him to begin with.

Months and months ago, my desk moved across the room, so I no longer sat in close proximity to his office and that meant that he stopped coming by my desk to casually chit chat. Then COVID hit, and we lost all contact as we all worked from home. In the meantime, for months, I was gearing up to approach him about a possible leadership position.

I emailed him on a whim one day during COVID to inform him that I may be getting a divorce, saying that I was having a rough go of things, but to reassure him that it wouldn't effect my work. This email was prompted by a prior email from him to just "check in" on me, tell me I was doing a good job, and to reach out if I ever needed anything. So I took him up on that and reached out to him on a personal level.

I think subconsciously I wanted to reestablish a connection with him again to help bridge the lack of communication and also in preparation for approaching him about a leadership role. So I opened up on a personal level to reestablish that connection we once had. This is what I believe was going on rather intuitively for me and on a subconscious level.

And it DID open a door. We had two phone conversations after I sent that email. We spoke at length on the phone for about an hour at a time. And we talked mainly about COVID, about life and about our marital problems. I felt close to him again, and honestly, that felt good. I felt not only valued by him on a professional level, but I felt like we had a semblance of a friendship too. He had even told me in a prior email that he viewed me as a friend - and last Thanksgiving, he had given all employees a gift with a personal handwritten card. My card from him said "thank you for all your hard work and for your friendship".

It IS confusing though.

Was he only chit chatting with me in the beginning BECAUSE he was attracted to me? Or was it more so because he was really glad he hired me, he felt like I was a fresh breeze in the office and he wanted to get to know me better? It's hard to know.

I know that when I was first hired, that they looked to me as a senior in my department to tell them what was being done right, and what was being done incorrectly. They wanted my feedback and input and asked for it from me. They sensed things were not being done right in my department. They even fired the Director above me when I first got there. And the CEO is the one who hired me, not the Director, and not my former boss.

Oh, the whole thing is confusing.

Even after he hits on me, I have to admit that I still kind of like him as a person. I don't know why, even though I say his character is poor. Perhaps it was just poor judgement on his part - or perhaps it really does point to a lack of morals.

I view him as someone who is human, MISERABLE in his marriage, a bit lost and very lonely. He and his wife have slept in separate bedrooms for TEN years. He was living apart from her all this summer and was enjoying it. While on the phone, I was encouraging him to take steps so that he can be happier.

He is also only five years older than me, I found out at our lunch. It came out somehow. I had told him I'm turning 50. I may have even asked him how old he is. We had had two glasses of wine at lunch, and we both were a little buzzed. Perhaps I forgot to mention that. Perhaps it was the alcohol talking on his part, when he said he wanted to invite me to his cottage.

But I lost my boundaries by asking his age. I asked him this AFTER he said he wanted to invite me to his cottage.

I am working on strengthening my boundaries. This is a weakness of mine and something that I know I need to work on.

If you've read this far, thank you for listening.
@Motts this explains where I was coming from.

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“Months and months ago, my desk moved across the room, so I no longer sat in close proximity to his office and that meant that he stopped coming by my desk to casually chit chat.”
^ Maybe someone was threatened by this fraternizing between you two. Who was responsible for moving you?

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“Months and months ago, my desk moved across the room, so I no longer sat in close proximity to his office and that meant that he stopped coming by my desk to casually chit chat.”
^ Maybe someone was threatened by this fraternizing between you two. Who was responsible for moving you?
I do not know. Maybe my boss, maybe the VP. They said it would help the paid advertising team and my team to associate more together.

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It’s kinda funny how I’ll go over it in my brain to try to find connections to actions and reactions over your experience. . Maybe none of it means anything. I draw conclusions like maybe your CEO was interested in you from back then and moved you to avoid temptation which eventually led to him going for it and hitting you up for an affair after there would be no repercussions due to employee relationship. But— maybe it was all just random and he hit on you because he’s just a dirty dog.

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The lunch was to talk about contacts and connections he could make for me. He’s sending my resume to a couple organizations.

My husband thought it was weird that he asked me to lunch. Then wasn’t shocked when he hit on me.
Hopefully your husband didn't get upset. That would be a good trait if he was honest enough to talk to you about it but also keep his ego in check.
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It IS confusing though.
Maybe he is confused too. It looks to me like you gave him the 'I'm available' message and he made a move.

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Maybe he is confused too. It looks to me like you gave him the 'I'm available' message and he made a move.
In no way did I give him the "I'm available message". I told him I had to get a divorce. I did not say I was going to date and find someone else.

He made a move because he is a sleazebag and saw an opportunity. He grabbed it. If he misinterpreted me in any way, that's his fault and is on him -- it's not my fault and it's not on me.

Your post puts me on the defensive.

I am going to ask admin to close this thread now.

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In no way did I give him the "I'm available message". I told him I had to get a divorce. I did not say I was going to date and find someone else.

He made a move because he is a sleazebag and saw an opportunity. He grabbed it. If he misinterpreted me in any way, that's his fault and is on him -- it's not my fault and it's not on me.

Your post puts me on the defensive.

I am going to ask admin to close this thread now.
He can't read your mind. Maybe you didn't mean to give that signal, but you did. Misunderstandings happen all the time. People shouldn't get so worked up about them. There was a funny scene in a Woody Allen movie where he was saying how he had trouble reading women. He was on a date with a woman and she was saying that she was a nymphomaniac and would have sex any time any place. So he kisses her and she gets all upset and asked what kind of women do you think I am??! He turns to the camera and says "How could I have misread those signs?"

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